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Those who want to change the Church's teaching on homosexuality and same-sex marriage like to argue from Jesus' silence on the issue: "If Jesus didn't bother mentioning it in the gospels, it shouldn't matter." Protestants have made similar arguments against Catholicism for 500 years. Greg points out that this is a crazy standard, because there are a whole lot of things that Jesus never talked about that we recognize as essential to Christian morality, ethics, and social justice.
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Snapshot - Stuff Jesus Never Said Show File 11.25.23
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Okay, something got me agitated the other day. It's a really lame argument that I've been hearing ever since I got into ministry, but it's back again, being dragged out to support a particular agenda in the church today, and I felt like I needed to record a quick snapshot episode because I guarantee you that you're going to run into this at some point if you haven't already, and I want you to be [00:02:00] prepared to recognize this for what it is. At some point, I'll probably record a full episode about it to sort of explore it more thoroughly because this argument has huge implications for Catholicism and the Catholic worldview. But for today, let me just point it out and tell you to beware and not fall for it.
The argument goes like this. Someone has some issue with the Church's teaching or practice. They don't like this doctrine or they don't like that sacrament. They don't like the liturgy or they don't like the church building or they don't like the way the church is organized and run. They don't like your devotional practices or the way you pray or what you call the pastor. And to justify why you shouldn't believe that, or do this one thing, or avoid doing this other thing, or why you shouldn't worship or pray in some way, or why you shouldn't pursue some spiritual or ministry goal, or whatever, they say, “You know, [00:03:00] Jesus never said to do that.” Protestants have been using this argument against the Catholic Church for 500 years.
They'll sort of smugly say, you know, Jesus never said there were seven sacraments, or Jesus never said you should confess to a priest. Or, Jesus never said to baptize infants. Or, Jesus never said there should be priests or bishops or a pope. But Jesus did say, “Call no man father,” so stop calling your priest that. Or they'll smugly say, You know, Jesus never said we should ask the saints to pray for us, or Jesus never said priests, monks, and nuns should be celibate, or Jesus never said to build church buildings, or to compose church music, or to make religious art, or to have liturgies. I mean, that stuff goes on and on, and I think that's why I need to do an episode soon to respond, because it's a misunderstanding of the ministry of Christ. It's an abuse of scripture and [00:04:00] it's hypocritical anyway, because there are a lot of Protestant beliefs and practices that Jesus never said anything about either. So if they're going to erect that as their standard, then they have to live by it.
But what has me agitated this week is another form of this lame argument. It gets trotted out when someone wants to do something that the church condemns, usually something to do with ethics or morality. So it goes like this, “You know, Jesus never specifically said that I couldn't do what I'm doing or what I want to do.” Now, sharp listeners, and I know that includes all of you, will recognize this as a form of what the serpent said to Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3 when he slithered up and said, “Did God really, specifically say that you can't eat from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?” You see, this has been the devil's tactic from the beginning. [00:05:00] Introduce doubt by throwing shade on what God really, specifically said.
Now, the reason I got agitated over the last few weeks was that I was listening to some podcasts by liberal Protestant pastors defending homosexual practices, not necessarily homosexual orientation or temptations, but actual homosexual fornication in gay marriage.
And they got around to trotting out this lame argument. You know, in the Gospels, Jesus never specifically condemns homosexual intercourse or a gay marriage. And so, if we're really following Jesus, we won't either. But that wasn't really what agitated me. Because I've been hearing that from liberal Protestants for 40 years. In most mainline Protestant denominations, that ship sailed decades ago and they erased any moral restrictions on homosexual practices and gay marriage just as they erased anything they didn't like [00:06:00] from the Catholic Church's teaching over the last 500 years.
No, what really got me agitated this last couple of weeks was reading statements from several Catholic priests and bishops that made the exact same argument. Now, I expect this idiocy from secularized liberal Protestants. But I worry that Catholics might hear this and get taken in by it. So, real quick, let me just point out that if we want to play that game, there are a whole lot of things that Jesus never said, commanded. Or specifically condemned. I sat down this morning and just jotted down a list off the top of my head. So, you know, this is an exhaustive, but I, I think you'll get the idea.
Okay, you get the idea. What's my point? Well, actually I have a few. First, obviously Jesus didn't specifically address the full range of human morality, ethics, and social justice, mapping out every scenario and what you should or shouldn't do in it. That wasn't the primary purpose of his ministry. And that for sure wasn't the purpose of the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, that record the actions and words of Jesus. In fact, the Gospel of John tells us that if [00:10:00] everything that Jesus said and did were written down, the world could not contain all of the books. But what was written down was recorded and shared so that we would believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing we may have life in his name. Now one of the foundational premises of Catholicism is that not only do we look at the totality of scripture to form doctrine and moral theology, but that we understand that Jesus instructed his apostles and gave them the Holy Spirit and authority to teach us to obey everything that he commands. Not just commanded, but commands. As John in his gospel said, they didn't write it all down. So, if we want to understand God's will for us in the church today, we begin by looking at the church that the apostles founded on that authority.
That's what we call apostolic authority. What did the early church believe and teach and practice and how has that [00:11:00] unfolded over time in continuity with scripture and apostolic tradition? This whole stupid game, this lame argument of trying to drive a wedge between the words of Jesus recorded in the four Gospels on the one hand, and the rest of Scripture, either the Old Testament or the teaching of the Apostles and the rest of the New Testament, and the Apostolic Church, driving a wedge between all of that is an attempt to not only subvert the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, It's another form of what the serpent whispered to Adam and Eve. It's an attempt to create a counterfeit concierge religion to suit your own desires.
And as one of those apostles, St. Paul said in his second letter to Timothy, chapter 4, “The time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires. And we'll turn away from listening to the [00:12:00] truth and wander into myths.”
